Friday, January 4, 2013

This just got real.

This morning, Matt and I stopped by Roth Green Energy to firm up some details about the geothermal and solar PV systems they quoted us, as well as put in down payments to lock in our contracts. We were greeted by coffee and donuts (they got them just for us!) and enjoyed another really great meeting. In a previous post about estimates I promised to go into more detail about the quotes we received, which I can follow through with now that we've locked in their services.

Geothermal
Considering the planned size of our house, it was determined both by us as well as independently by the folks at Roth that a 2-ton system would suffice. Not only will the system supply heat for our house, but it will also supply domestic hot water (DHW). After some thought, we decided to go with the in-slab heating due to its efficiency, quietness, even heating, and the fact that we won't have to spend the time and money to construct a subfloor as originally planned with the baseboard heaters. Below is the scope of the project:
So, the bottom line: Total Geothermal $33,810.97
We put down a 30% down payment today of $10,143.29(!), which is the same amount we can expect to get back thanks to a 30% tax credit. So the total out of pocket is expected to be $23,667.68.

Solar
As far as solar panels are concerned, we figured: go big or go home. Since we are hoping to go net zero, we had to plan for a large PV array to cover all our energy consumption needs, which will be large since everything will be electric. We used a couple different approaches to project our total consumption, including estimating from my parents' electric bill (since we have similar habits, and their bill includes electric appliances and a well pump); estimating using our own current electric bill plus what we can expect from adding in electric appliances & a well pump; and using a worksheet provided by NYSERDA that included a breakdown by appliance. All three methods were surprisingly consistent with each other, and estimated a total usage of roughly 10,000 KWH/year. We also added in an additional 2,000 KWH/yr for an anticipated electric car (eventually). Roth Green Energy came back with the following 12,480(!) watt grid-tied PV system, complete with all materials, engineering/submittals, software, programming, installation and wiring, system commissioning, start-up, check out, and owner training:
  • Supply and install 48 Solar World 260W mono panels, roof mounted on front roof - brand new & 100% made in the USA!
    • 2 strings of 12 panels
  • Provide 2 Sunny Boy 6000US STD inverters
  • Production meter
  • Monitoring Package
  • Solar mount roof racking system
  • Provide wire, conduit string combiner, system disconnect, and miscellaneous electrical components to complete the installation
There are all kinds of incentives for solar, including grants, rebates, and a tax credit:
                 Project Cost                       $45,000.00
                 NYSERDA Grant                 ($10,500.00)
                 Initial Costs                        $34,500.00
                 Federal tax credit (30%)    ($10,350.00)
                 NY State rebate                ($5,000.00)
                 Total out of pocket           $19,150.00

We were shocked to see that, thanks to so many incentives, the total out of pocket cost of such a huge PV array is under $20,000. We still recognize that it is a huge investment that will take many years to recoup the costs, but seriously: HOW COOL IS THAT??!? Some people spend money on cars, some people spend money on traveling... I'm happy to invest in solar photovoltaics. Anyways, it was important to put in a down payment today so that they could get started on the paperwork, since it can take months to get it all approved (and boy are we glad they're doing all the paper pushing for us!!). We put in a 35% down payment towards the total project cost, meaning $15,750,00.

Yikes, we wrote two huge checks today :-O ... That fact is still sinking in. These are just the first two of many that are sure to come (or go, I suppose is more accurate). It feels scary to part with so much so quickly, but we are really excited about what this money is going towards. We feel we'll be setting a really great example and are excited to be pioneers in really committing to green energy. We are very happy that we've chosen Roth Green Energy for our energy needs and feel confident they'll do a great job!


Updated budget:
Deposit for Geothermal: $10,143.29
Deposit for Solar: $15,750.00
Total spent so far: $27,703.29

2 comments:

  1. two questions? will your metering package be able to be integrated into a website so we can all monitor your instantaneous production, as well as aggregated KWH?

    Also have you looked into the net metering with your supplier? Will they pay you or do they stop at zero? Is it RG&E in Mendon?

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  2. Hey Matt,

    Actually our monitoring data will be put online! You can see some existing examples if you visit http://www.rothresidential.com/ . I haven't browsed them extensively yet; I know the Brockport house has both geothermal and solar, but I'm not sure whether both are reported on that website.

    We will actually be on National Grid in Rush, and they do utilize net metering. We will get paid back for any extra, but it's at wholesale rates. A lot of people see that as a reason to not possibly over-generate, since it's not much of a return; but we really are more interested in being net-zero, and if we do happen to make anything at all back, that's just gravy. There is more info from National Grid here: http://www.nationalgridus.com/niagaramohawk/home/energyeff/4_net-mtrg.asp

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